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February 09, 2006

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Joel Laramee

I don't understand those passages very well. Perhaps a follow-up blog, to digest them a bit, and share why they excite you?

tim keel

It was great to be with you, bro.

wezlo

Dude, this is so freaking true. I'm not sure why "emergent-types" embrace mystery and then freak out when God doesn't act the way we want God to act. BE freaked out by GOD for crying out loud! Or do we only accept mystery when it's warm and fuzzy?

In leading the Biblical Evangelism study at my church - that's one of the highlights, this stuff doesn't make sense to us, the people don't act like us, think like us, or live in our "ordered" world - but God met them, called them, and has communicated through them (and, I hope, still does).

When Miroslav put forward his aversion to the idea of final judgment, but equally put forward his unwillingness to take his eyes OFF that potential he hopes can be avoided, I knew I was in the presence of someone I wanted to keep listening to.

bj woodworth

this sounds like critical realism. in the words of NT Wright in NT and the people of God,
Critical realism, "is a way of describing the process of 'knowing' that acknowledges the reality of the thing known, as something other than the knower (hence 'realism'), while fully acknowledging that the only access we have to this reality lies along the spiraling path of appropriate dialogue or conversation between the knower and the thing known” (hence 'critical')… our assertions about ‘reality’ acknowledge their own provisionality. Knowledge, in other words, although in principle concerning realities independent of the knower, is never independent of the knower."

Am I right?

Lynn Wetherbee

A similar sentiment to that of Volf and Barth, on the topic of troublesome biblical passages, comes from feminist theologian Roberta Bondi, who defends the use of the Lord's prayer for worship and piety with patriarchal and kingdom/hierarchical language intact... "trusting that because God intends our life and not our death, Jesus could not possibly have intended to make the political statement [opponents of the prayer] think Jesus is making. As a result, [in rejecting the prayer] they neither allow this prayer to challenge what is most oppressive in the church and larger culture, nor do they begin to make use of it to begin to heal all the oppressed and suffering parts of themselves as individuals." (excerpted from Trinity, Community and Power, 2000; p. 54)

I affirm Barth's point about the importance of assuming a posture of subordination to the scriptures, trusting that God's Light and Life resides in all of them, despite the cultural packaging always present in the writing and interpreting of them. Yet I wonder if he extends that call for us to subordinate ourselves to the Light and Life of God present, albeit obscured and foggy, in all of humanity and creation. We must become truly humble people indeed to take this message to its (to me) logical conclusion. At any rate, I am curious, in light of the above passages, about how Barth's pneumatology (and even eschatology) fits into his whole framework.

Thanks for the good read, Pastor.

scj

Friends,

Thanks for the comments on this one. Joel and Lynn, I will follow this piece up shortly to address some of the thoughtful questions you raise. B.J., yeah, I see it as compatible with the Polanyi, Wright, Torrance discussion of critical realism.

best,
scj

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